Saturday, March 8, 2014

Misunderstanding the God-Man

Jesus, the God man.  God who had taken flesh.  Some have taken this as a means to attempt to disprove one part of who Jesus was on earth.  Muslims often make efforts to deface the deity of Christ and claim that Christians believe in three gods.  Or that Jesus could never be God by bringing up aspects of his humanity.

Here is an argument some people make and how to face it with scripture:

http://carm.org/god-cannot-be-tempted-jesus-was-tempted

http://carm.org/jesus-two-natures

http://carm.org/jesus-man

the God-Man-- the one-minute apologist



Jesus is also a man which is important to recognize. What does this say about our God... for one it shows the drastic measures needed to save one of us in our wickedness.  But what does it say about our God that he chose to relate with us through taking on flesh in one part of the trinity, yet wholly God.  It reminds me of when my youngest sister was saved.  I had just gotten done sharing the gospel with her and had told her some about Old testament history and about how God had his people the Jews and prophecies and I told her about the messiah... and finally I had gotten to the cross and how Jesus was not just the promised messiah but he was also God who had taken flesh.  It was God who had taken our sins.  Her mouth dropped.  God had in that moment opened her eyes and ears and she was getting it.  Eventually after some thought she began tearing up and asked if in heaven she would be able to touch God's face.  It makes me cry when I tell others about her childlike faith she had in that moment.  I've never met someone who so deeply wanted to touch God that weeks later she said it was a struggle to grow because she wanted to hug God so dearly.  What a blessing and awesome truth it is that I can actually tell her, yes, if you are in Christ, you will be able to touch him as Thomas did.  What does it say that God made physical interaction and then entered it to interact with us on such a level?

Here is an old prophecy of Jesus before He came... think about what this implies about who he is!

Isaiah 9:6-7

English Standard Version (ESV)
For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
    and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and of peace
    there will be no end,
on the throne of David and over his kingdom,
    to establish it and to uphold it
with justice and with righteousness
    from this time forth and forevermore.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will do this.
Then God reaffirms this gargantuan truth through John,

John 1:1-5

English Standard Version (ESV)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

He was not only WITH God but Jesus, who is the word and the truth, he is also God himself.

John 14:6

English Standard Version (ESV)
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


Colossians 1:15-23

English Standard Version (ESV)
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, 22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.

With such a lofty truth as Jesus being fully God and fully man-- we need to be careful of attempting to put too much human reasoning upon this idea of how Jesus works now after the resurrection.  Some might begin to limit Him and his capability or deny that he is a personage of the trinity in the process.  We cannot forget that Jesus is not only one who has taken flesh but as scripture says he also lives in us.  How can God live in me, be a man, and be a son, be a father, pray to himself, die for me, place wrath on himself, and resurrect himself, create everything that is created, always exist, be omnipresent, but his presence only in certain places.  Though these truths are in a sense far too much for us to understand, we should also not throw them out altogether and say-- I can't understand this, so I give up.  No!  Instead we should fight to have even just a basic understanding so that we can love God more fully in truth.
His omnipresence is a matter of his access to all things, and his nature of infinite power; he is able to fill all things, is anything not held up and continued by His hand?  How can something be allowed to exist unless He actively allows it?  Nothing is outside of his power (Ephesians 1:11).  Yet, it is important to understand that his usage of the idea of presence can differ.  God lives in us, if we are saved and have placed our faith in Him alone, because we are not allowed to enter his presence with our sinful flesh--we must be born again or changed / declared justified in His sight in order to be indwelt by Him.  The trinity is an important aspect of all of this that helps us understand.

Here is a funny video that helps understand the trinity.  Though I think we should be careful about holding too closely to confessions made by man instead of confessing scripture, or putting confessions on the level of scripture, I think this is still a good video and helpful.

  

If you don't know what the trinity is:
http://carm.org/what-trinity

This helps understand trinity:



Another aspect of the Trinity in 2 mins.


We need to be careful to not use too much human reasoning apart from scripture.  We are only told so much about God's character in this, much of it is mystery to behold but what is in scripture is what should inform us of the truths we ought to behold in it all.  We cannot forget that Jesus lives in us, is God, but he also is a personage and is a man.  The God man.  The fact that Jesus is man now should not limit our understanding.  For example, could it be that in

Exodus 33:18-23

English Standard Version (ESV)
18 Moses said, “Please show me your glory.” 19 And he said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The Lord.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. 20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.” 21 And the Lord said, “Behold, there is a place by me where you shall stand on the rock, 22 and while my glory passes by I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen.”
That God here was using his back, his face, his hand as ways that a human could understand him when they are actually not quite the same?  Was this not an image or type of the glorified Jesus?  Jesus is in man form because we are made in his image.  Nonetheless, when God says the word "hand" we often see this to mean that God's power was upon someone, could God's back be actually the back of the personage of our Lord Jesus?


Romans 8:1-11

English Standard Version (ESV)
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in youAnyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
 10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.


Let us bask in these truths, and drink deeply of the mystery
let us not become like those who simply call it too big or too mysterious and run away
Rather let us say, God has taught us about himself
and I want to drink deeply of this
Lets look at these characteristics of God as though they were a picture of a distant beautiful galaxy
too large to truly fathom, and yet if we don't strive to fathom it... we will not see its awesome beauty.


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For some further research

 look into this article,
it talks about some of what seems to be "contradiction" to us,
but in the end is not contradiction with the God-man.

I believe the key to understanding how Jesus could grow in wisdom from the size of a baby,
and yet also be the Lord of glory, is to understand that he was tempted as we were
and to understand that he was also all knowledgeable-- even as he could only babble words
as a young babe.  He was still one with the Father.  We cannot allow ourselves to create heresies
from extremes as we attempt to fathom God sized issues.

That same God lives in those who are indeed His true children and believe...  How amazing..

http://www.desiringgod.org/blog/posts/jesus-is-fully-human